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Old 06-07-2011, 11:51 AM
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Default 10000 RPM vs SSD

For Hollywood Strings, I'm thinking about using a 10000 RPM hard drive since purchasing enough SSD drives is a bit beyond my budget at the moment.

- Does anyone have any experience using 10K drives with HS and what kind of performance can I expect using a single drive?

- Will a 10K drive significantly out-perform a 7200 rpm drive for HS?

- Can anyone recommend any particular brands for a 10K drive? Any to stay away from?

I will be running HS on a dedicated Windows 7 machine (i7-2600) with 16 GB RAM.

Thanks in advance.
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Old 06-07-2011, 11:55 AM
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No dont bother with 10K RPM. All you need is around 50GB to get all the benefits of an SSD and HS Diamond. http://www.soundsonline-forums.com/s...t=huge+ssd+tip

I bought an OCZ Revodrive recently, and thats one of the best options in order to get lots of read speed. $265 with shipping.
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I'm with Aptmusic - I have a 10krpm and a SSD...... the SSD outstrips the 10k by miles.
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Its not just numbers, but the SSD is integrally different than HDD. At the end of the day the 10K is still an HDD, and has several millisecond seek time. SSD is nearly instantaneous with seek time under a millisecond. Don't ask me why, but seek time is supposed to be important in regard to samples. Also ask yourself whether you really need the SSD. Its for powerful patches mainly.
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SSD are essentially memory drives which don't rely on mechanics, therefore by very design don't need as much power and can more direct and quicker. Sample loading from memory as most people know from previous experience is far better.
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And SSDs are SILENT and COOL, which is more than can be said for 10k HDDs.
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Thanks for the info. I spent a good part of the day yesterday educating myself on the ins-n-outs of SSD drives, PCIe slots, and SATA drives. I learned that the PCIe drives run twice as fast as SATA drives! What I saw when reading the specs on the various OCZ drives (PCIe) is that the ones with more capacity are faster than the smaller ones. For example, the 120 GB RevoDrive reads up to 540 MB/s, but the 240 GB RevoDrive reads up to 740 GB/s! Why would a larger capacity drive work faster?

I may be foiled by this prospect because the machine I'll be using only has PCIe x1 slots, not x4 as the RevoDrive requires. It looks like I'm left with going with the SATA drives (OCZ 240 GB Vertex) which reads up 285 MB/s. Better than nothing, right?
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Thanks for the info. I spent a good part of the day yesterday educating myself on the ins-n-outs of SSD drives, PCIe slots, and SATA drives. I learned that the PCIe drives run twice as fast as SATA drives! What I saw when reading the specs on the various OCZ drives (PCIe) is that the ones with more capacity are faster than the smaller ones. For example, the 120 GB RevoDrive reads up to 540 MB/s, but the 240 GB RevoDrive reads up to 740 GB/s! Why would a larger capacity drive work faster?

I may be foiled by this prospect because the machine I'll be using only has PCIe x1 slots, not x4 as the RevoDrive requires. It looks like I'm left with going with the SATA drives (OCZ 240 GB Vertex) which reads up 285 MB/s. Better than nothing, right?
Because the Revo drive is an internal RAID of several SSDs. The 120GB is I think two 55GB drives in RAID(?) The 240GB can have twice as many drives as the 120GB, yet they are all in RAID 0. The more drives there are, the more I/O.

Someone mentioned that you can get similar performance from several SATA SSDs, instead of the REVO drive. The downside to this is you use up a lot of ports. you probably need 2-3 SATA SSD to equal 1 revo drive, and there goes 3 of your 6-7 sata ports on your motherboard.

I highly recommend using HS for a long time before making the jump to SSD. You really only need 50GB of space, trust me, and from then on its all about I/O. You would be better off with two 120GB drives than a single 240GB. I come from the perspective of owning a 256GB drive, and it ended up being not the best use of funds, (knowing what I know now about HS).
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I highly recommend using HS for a long time before making the jump to SSD. You really only need 50GB of space, trust me, and from then on its all about I/O. You would be better off with two 120GB drives than a single 240GB. I come from the perspective of owning a 256GB drive, and it ended up being not the best use of funds, (knowing what I know now about HS).
This is a lot to think about. It makes sense to wait a bit to find out what my needs really are. The OCZ Vertex 3 (120 GB - smallest capacity I could find) is only slightly more expensive than the comparable Vertex 2 ($267 vs $200). The biggest difference, though, is the Vertex 3 reads up to 550 MB/s whereas the Vertex 2 reads only up to 285 MB/s! This puts the Vertex 3 in the same speed range as the PCIe versions.

I think I'll sleep on it.
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Agree with the consensus -- bought a bunch of 10k drives and saw little or no benefit from them in streaming. SSDs, by contrast, have been great. Using many of them now.
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