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Old 04-05-2019, 11:22 PM
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It's been so long since I've posted here, I can't believe it... Hi to those who remember me.

Anyhow.

A friend of mine is looking into purchasing her first library (silver most probably). The problem is that she has a laptop, which most probably has a 5400 rpm (or whatever the actual number is), rather than the normal speed 7200 rpm. And I don't think she'll be looking to buy a USB 3.0 (if that would be any faster).

So, with 8 GB of RAM, do you think there's any chance of her running PLAY, even if she has to bounce every little while her midi tracks to audio? Would a USB 3.0 do the trick?

Yes, I know it's cheap, but right now that's all she can afford...

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Hey Nikolas,

we do host regular sales around US holidays, so she might want to
subscribe to our newsletter to stay up-to-date on those and grab
them when it's discounted.
http://www.soundsonline.com/Subscriptions

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There will be limitations, of course. She has to be clear of that fact!

We do have a set of minimum requirements which we highly recommend
to adhere to:
Intel Dual-Core i5 2.7 Ghz or above
8GB RAM or more
Windows 7 or later
Sound card with ASIO drivers
7200 RPM or faster (non energy saving) hard drive for sample streaming

It would probably be best to know the full specs before giving any answer.
Please try and answer as many of the following bulletin points as possible.
If you're not sure of an answer, just leave it empty. Thank you.

Operating System (OS):
Digital Audio Workstation (DAW):
Play engine version:

RAM (in MHz | amount in GB):
CPU (in GHz | amount of cores):

What drives do you use? Do you have a dedicated setup with only samples
on the sample drive? Important information would be
- the drive format (e.g. FAT32, exFAT, NTFS, Mac OS Journaled, AFPS)
- the drive speed (e.g. 5400/7200rpm / SSD)
- the drive connection (e.g. PCIe, SATA, Firewire, USB)
- the Sample Cache value which is available in Play > Settings > Streaming.

Please list that information for the drives which you use.
Drive OS:
Drive Samples:
Drive Projects:
Drive Other:

Audio interface (soundcard):
Buffer size:

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What'll happen with a slower drive is that the samples aren't streamed
fast enough, so she'll get pops and clicks during playback. There are a
few things which she can make sure of to get a better performance.

USB 3.0 will only improve so far if she's also using a corresponding faster
drive. I don't think it will improve that much in her specific case. The main
limitations will be the drive and the RAM.

For the RAM, 1-2GB will be used for the Operating System, another 1-2 GB
for the DAW and the remainder can be used for samples. At a 250MB average,
that'll be roughly 4GB/250MB = 16 patches which she can use.

*The average is more for Gold version orchestral libraries, so it'll most
probably be quite a bit lower for her, if she's getting the Silver versions.

Do you know what CPU she's using? That'll also be an important factor.

As you mentioned, she'll need to export more often.

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Here are a few things, which she can do to improve her DAW capabilities:

- Turn off WIFI and BlueTooth
- Unplug the LAN cable (basically, get off the internet)
- Turn off all background programs such as security etc.
Depending on her security settings, these might actually
be scanning the samples prior to them loading / playing.
- Only open the DAW. Check how many programs are
automatically run upon startup.

NOTE: Please remember that the turned off security settings
should be re-enabled prior to connecting to the internet again!

- Bounce to Audio and use a .wav file instead of live playback. This
will result in less system resources being used, but the downside
is that it can't be edited anymore. Consider exporting MIDI files
for this track.

p. 19: The Sample Cache feature allows you to determine how many
of the samples are loaded directly into RAM or are streamed from the drive.
Test out different levels to see what works best for you.
p. 56: The Sample Purge feature allows you to remove any not used
samples from the RAM.
http://www.soundsonline-forums.com/d...ser-Manual.pdf

Cheers.
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