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Old 03-16-2018, 11:35 AM
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Been a while since I've posted here. I currently have HO Gold, (all sections purchased singly way back) + the solo instruments collection which I have been running on my 2011 Mac Mini Server using a separate internal 7200 rpm HD for streaming the samples. I have since acquired a slave PC which has 32 GB RAM (the max it can take) plus I added a 275 GB internal Crucial SSD for the samples. Running that over VEP with the Mini as the master.

I'm thinking of upgrading to HO Diamond to take advantage of the current sale and I'm wondering if this system will run it satisfactorily. The issues I see are the capacity of the SSD, the lack of USB 3 connectivity on the PC's motherboard and the RAM limitation. I contacted Support who assured me that I could use the HD the library comes with to stream the samples, which would mean adding a USB 3 adaptor to the computer. I could maybe put the strings on the SSD and leave the rest on the HD..

Anyway, does this sound feasible? Am I likely to run into any problems by using a PCIE USB 3 adaptor card and will the library stream properly from the supplied HD? Also, will 32 GB be enough for large projects?

Edit: How about spreading the library across my two computers, utilising the Mini's 2nd 500 GB HD and its 16 GB Ram? This kinda defeats the purpose of the slave setup though..
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I also use HO Gold (never saw the point in Diamond to be honest). If you go that route, just install an extra internal SSD or two in the slave PC, you should have plenty of slots left. The SATA III connections (internal) will be a lot faster than USB 3.

Only YOU will be able to determine is 32GB will be enough, it all depends on what you load, stream etc. With large templates in Diamond however, 32GB will probably be pushing it.

What are the processor specs on the slave? Is it an i7?
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Old 03-16-2018, 02:54 PM
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That's interesting to hear Jeremy, i.e. that you use Gold. I'm still not entirely convinced about the upgrade either - it's just I'm telling myself that I really 'should' have the best version of the orchestra that's available! On a practical note it would be good to have the divisi sections and the possibility of mixing the different mics. In terms of whether the greater bit depth would make any real difference (apart from demanding extra RAM!) is of course a bit of a moot point..

Yes, the processor is a 3.4 GHz i7 so it's reasonably fast. Extra SSD's would be a lot more expensive than a USB 3 adaptor, plus Support did reassure me that the library should stream fine from that drive but I'm sure you're right that SSD would ultimately be the better choice. However then the upgrade starts to get a lot more pricey. Worth it? I'm beginning to wonder.

Pity they never produced a complete Gold version, even with just the Divisi samples. I'd probably be happy enough with that as I don't envisage using the different mics all that much.

A large project would typically involve all the orchestral instruments, each with multiple articulations so I do think that my RAM limit could be the main bottleneck here, what with the greater bit depth and using multiple mics. Which is why I wonder about spreading the load across both machines but maybe that wouldn't work all that well. Hmm..
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Run Diamond from the EW 7200rpm? Forget it. SSD is definitely your friend. Plus, it would take forever to load the huge templates you are talking about and streaming would be too slow.

I have the Gold X version of CC now, it is wonderful. However, I've tried the extra mic position and don't really find any use for it...but I may eat my words eventually If it's Divisi you're after, then you'd most likely utilize it. Seems like a big PITA and a lot of $$$ just for a Diamond upgrade though. Just my 2 cents!
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Ok many thanks for your input. I'm going to look into the whole thing some more and weigh up my options. If it boils down to Divisi being the only real benefit, then I doubt that it's worth it. The system I have now is ideally suited to running Gold, which is how I configured it. So I may be best just making the most of what I already have.
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I also use HO Gold (never saw the point in Diamond to be honest).
For me, if nothing else, having the close mics for the woodwinds makes a big difference.
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Yes I'm sure the extra mics are worth having and would make a significant difference to many of the instruments. The question for me is whether I could make proper use of them within the PC's 32 GB. I find a large project using Gold tends to take up around 14-16 GB and that's with 16 bit files and only one mic, also not using any of the 'Powerful System' string patches.
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I have HW diamond and run on a 7200rpm hard drive - not big templates though as I only load what I need for the piece I'm writing. It is wasn't for the divisi sections (which I think are great) then I would just have gone for gold as once you've put the instruments through Spaces (or the convolution reverb in the Play interface) then for me it's hard to tell the different mics apart.
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I use a template with everything set up apart from the samples so I also only load what instruments I need per project. However with anything orchestral that tends to be a lot..
Good point about the mics post-reverb. Yes, I find that once I've treated e.g. the winds to a nice dose of Spaces they sound pretty good with just the single mic.

So really the main advantage is the Divisi. Do you find generally that loading the 24-bit samples from your HD takes a long time? And does everything stream ok once loaded?
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The 24bit samples do take a while to load and I have to run through the song a few times for the samples to play properly... Not ideal but is ok. I'm sure with an Ssd it would be a million times better!
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