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Old 01-08-2019, 08:57 PM
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Hello All!

I am on the fence of getting a new Imac so I can get back into the composing game. I am leaning toward getting an Imac 27" 4.2ghz quad core with 8gb of ram configurable to 64 (planning on buying memory separately) and the 256gb SSD and plan on buying additional SSD drives to stream samples from. This will run to about $2.2k prior to tax for the comp alone.

I am a hobbyist who gets local gigs for film from time to time. Have not written in like 2 years. I will be mostly using composer cloudx, I typically load templates not exceeding 30 instruments. I do like the appeal of Logic and simplicity/aesthetics of Macs as I am not very tech savy. Do you think this is a decent setup for my needs, are there better setups I should look into for less $??

Any suggestions/concerns would be appreciated!

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Old 01-09-2019, 12:06 PM
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That's a good machine, but I would go with the 512GB SSD as the 256 will get gobbled up pretty fast. You say you don't exceed 30 instruments, but that depends on exactly what instruments are loaded....some are more resource hungry than others (especially Hollywood Strings). I get away with quite a bit on my MacBook Pro (2013 i7), and found that hosting samples on a Samsung T5 is a wonderful thing (along with a 7200rpm HDD for smaller libraries). For the BIG productions, I fire up a PC slave but that's a rarity these days thanks to the Samsung.....and my recent minimalistic approach to templates; I basically just load what I'll actually be using for a given project. And, all with only 16GB Ram.

That's actually a pretty good price for the iMac, you won't regret it. Logic X is a good, solid DAW. If you don't need the iMac display, you could perhaps look at a new Mac mini. Also, something else I would invest in is an audio interface.

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Old 01-09-2019, 04:23 PM
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Hey Danny,

Jeremy basically said it and rounded it all off with a nice audio interface
advertisement. I'm also one of his converts, and it's sound advice!

For some further reading on them: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sound_...dio_interfaces)

And for a check of your system and its individual components:

Operating System (OS): The newest Mac OS, probably.

RAM: 8GB. A bit on the low-end. There will be obvious
limitations with 8GB. You won't be able to get a large template going.
But you mentioned upgrading that later on. So definitely good there!

WARNING: One of the large downsides of a MAC, as far as I'm aware of,
is the limited warranty and the problem of opening the case and refitting the
MBP / iMacs etc. Please remember that changing the internal hardware on
MACs should only be done by licensed support staff, since it will otherwise
void the warranty.

CPU: Quad 4.2GHz. Good.

Drive: 256GB OS drives are honestly enough never really the best idea for sample
streaming. The OS itself will always be simultaneously reading and writing to
the drive so that will slightly reduce the latency on the streaming. Pops and clicks
will be the result. With an SSD this will be reduced somewhat, but eventually
you will hit the limit.

I'd try and at least keep the heavy duty libraries (i.e. Hollywood Orchestra)
off of the main drive. Those can really use up a lot of space and resources.

I can definitely recommend the Samsung T-series. I've got the earlier
T1 and it works like a charm for streaming. Will be getting a T5 or
newer gen later on, since I need more space (yet once again).

Audio interface (soundcard): nA atm, but recommendable for diminished latency.
Examples are the Focusrite Scarlet 2i2 or the Steinberg URmk22 and the prices
only go up from there.

Cheers.

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Misc computer / Play settings - Here are a few things, which
you can do to improve your DAW capabilities:

- Turn off WIFI and BlueTooth
- Unplug your LAN cable (basically, get off the internet)
- Turn off all background programs such as security etc.
Depending on your security settings, these might actually
be scanning the samples prior to them loading / playing.
- Only open your DAW. Check how many programs are
automatically run upon startup.

NOTE: Please remember that the turned off security settings
should be re-enabled prior to connecting to the internet again!

- Bounce to Audio and use a .wav file in lieu of live playback. This
will result in less system resources being used, but the downside
is that it can't be edited anymore.

p. 19: The Sample Cache feature allows you to determine how many
of the samples are loaded directly into RAM or are streamed from the drive.
Test out different levels to see what works best for you.
p. 56: The Sample Purge feature allows you to remove any not used
samples from the RAM.
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Old 01-10-2019, 12:09 PM
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Thanks so much for the detailed responses guys!

As far as I can tell the memory is not user upgradable for 21.5" Imac but are for the 27".

I currently use a line6 KB37 as an audio interface; what would be the benefits of upgrading to a new or better one?

So even if I use different SSDs to stream the libraries from the 256gb that the OS will be on is too small?

Thanks again!
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I think the Line 6 would be fine, as long as the OS supports it.

If you are diligent with storing files on a dedicated drive, the 256GB should be okay, but Mac likes to gobble it all up for some reason. I'd rather go bigger right out of the gates; not sure if you can upgrade those later.
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Yup, the Line 6 should be fine. From the initial look, I actually didn't think
that there's an audio interface directly integrated into that machine!

Personally, I think that a 256GB OS drive will be enough.
However, I do have a setup as follows on my main DAW:
1 OS drive (SSD) for programs and a few misc office files.
3 1TB internal SSDs for samples.
1 1TB external T1 SSD for samples.
1 4TB 7200rpm HDD for samples.
1 4TB 5400rpm HDD for samples back-up.
2 2TB 5400rpm HDD for projects and back-up.
1 128GB flash drive for installers.
1 128GB flash drive for installers back-up.

So basically, I offloaded everything from my OS drive
and use other drives for streaming and for my projects.

@Jeremy: Is that a Mac inherent thing? On my windows computers,
I never noticed any weird drive space uses. I always know how it's
being utilized.
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Old 01-11-2019, 08:59 AM
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Remember a full install of Logic pro x Requires 63 GB Hard drive space.
I am thinking of getting a new mac mini. A guy in a youtube video Took a
new mac mini apart and showed the crappy thermal paste they use.He replaced
the thermal paste and the machine did not thermal throttle,during heavy video editing.
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