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Old 04-28-2018, 08:08 AM
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Fairly new to E/W, but not to VSTs in general. When I record any given E/W sound into a track I'm getting really inconsistent results. Sometimes the sound will be exactly what I expect from playing it in the browser. Other times after I record a clip it sounds anemic or flat (not pitch, of course). In addition, the volume of the sounds is often quite low. The track volume and the volume in Play are both zeroed out, but sometimes I struggle to get the instrument to have enough oomph.

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Old 04-28-2018, 12:19 PM
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How about some DAW/sequencer information? What are you using and which instruments sound anemic or flat? Are you using expression and the mod wheel?
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Old 04-28-2018, 12:39 PM
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Also, which libraries / patches are you using? They have different controls depending on them.
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Do the inconsistencies occur with the same patches? What are you doing differently?
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Thanks, I've been a "forum creeper" long enough I should have known to post more specs.

I have Cakewalk Sonar Professional on a Dell XPS 8700 with a 3.20 GHz processor and 16GB of RAM. I'm a ComposerCloud subscriber, using the EWQL Steinway as the backbone for most of my stuff. Symphonic Orchestra, Hollywood Brass, Solo Violin, and Cello, and Goliath are the primary products utilized at this point. They are all loaded on a separate, 500GB SSD.

I've had problems with pretty much all the sounds at one point or another. Pianos which sound rich and clear become muffled and dull once recorded, string sounds lose volume, brass sounds resemble kazoos, and so on.

I've read the manuals, experimented with reverbs and specs, stopped using modwheel entirely, and haven't figured it out. The most frustrating thing is that it's inconsistent. Sometimes things sound great. Sometimes they don't.

One thing I have noticed, is that if I go to the Play browser when this happens and choose a different instrument for the already-recorded track, then go back to the original instrument, sometimes the sound returns to its previous splendor. However, this doesn't help with the volume issue.
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I am also a Sonar user and I can't imagine what would cause the issues you are having. The only thing I can think of is I have one midi controller that is failing and sending out random CC messages (very high numbered CC's). While it doesn't seem to affect my EW products, it does affect one particular product where it is controlling some type of filter and makes it sound terrible. When I reload it resets the filter and sounds like it should until it sends a message on that CC channel again and screws it up. Is there any chance something of this nature is happening?
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Old 04-29-2018, 02:22 PM
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I'm not sure, if this is the same problem I used to having, however what you described appears very similar to my "problem" with MIDI controler messages, or to be more precise, not using it.

Try this - before every track start, place a starting setting for each of MIDI message, that regulates the respective instrument - typically MOD WHEEL, Expression and Volume. This way you will be sure, when playing from beginning, all settings are reset to the ones, you are using at the beginning of the track.
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I think I've experienced something that sounds like this before. It has happened to me most frequently using the Lord Of Toms patch in Stormdrum 3 - suddenly, all of the body is just gone from the instrument and it's a really odd sound. It's not a rogue CC message, it's not that the volume or velocity has changed, it's like the samples are just not firing properly - sounds a little like it triggers the release before the body of the sample has had a chance to play. Reloading the patch fixes it, but it's definitely a thing that happens (rarely).

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Also, within Sonar, please try going to Project >> MIDI >> Preferences and turning off "Zero controllers when play stops" and "Patch/Controller Searchback Before Play Starts”.

If you're in Sonar Platinum the menu and MIDI preferences have changed. The corresponding settings are now located at Edit >> Preferences >> Project >> MIDI.
The options to uncheck are called “Zero Controllers When Play Stops” and “MIDI Event Chase on Play”.
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Really? There must be something funky going on. I find East West libraries to be the most consistent of pretty much any of my libraries (which include most of the Spitfire line, most of the 8dio stuff, and all of the NI content). You really have to be careful with rogue CC data making it into your MIDI content; my controller will occasionally send a random signal out.

I will say that with many of the East West percussion libraries, the mod wheel can mess with the EQ filters, so just be sure to turn that off in all your instances.

Could also be an issue with your sample drive; I've never experienced this if it's not fast enough I imagine it could be dropping some samples. EW products absolutely must run on SSD's. Small price to pay for the amazing quality of the sounds though.
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Thanks, I've been a "forum creeper" long enough I should have known to post more specs.

I have Cakewalk Sonar Professional on a Dell XPS 8700 with a 3.20 GHz processor and 16GB of RAM. I'm a ComposerCloud subscriber, using the EWQL Steinway as the backbone for most of my stuff. Symphonic Orchestra, Hollywood Brass, Solo Violin, and Cello, and Goliath are the primary products utilized at this point. They are all loaded on a separate, 500GB SSD.

I've had problems with pretty much all the sounds at one point or another. Pianos which sound rich and clear become muffled and dull once recorded, string sounds lose volume, brass sounds resemble kazoos, and so on.

I've read the manuals, experimented with reverbs and specs, stopped using modwheel entirely, and haven't figured it out. The most frustrating thing is that it's inconsistent. Sometimes things sound great. Sometimes they don't.

One thing I have noticed, is that if I go to the Play browser when this happens and choose a different instrument for the already-recorded track, then go back to the original instrument, sometimes the sound returns to its previous splendor. However, this doesn't help with the volume issue.
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