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Old 03-15-2020, 11:00 AM
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Ah that's great Lorenz, many thanks. I will look forward to hearing what your colleague has to say. That's also very helpful to hear about your working method - what I most need now are some real-world perspectives on using this particular setup to see how feasible it actually is.

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Old 03-15-2020, 12:48 PM
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Hello Marcusmax,

I'm Thomas, Lorenz's colleague and a Mac OS 10.12.6 User with 32 GB of RAM, using HW Orchestra Diamond on many of my setups.

Here are some additional pointers and workarounds I've used in my sessions that I hope could be of guidance to you below -

RAM RESOURCES ON 32 GB MACHINE:
Managing resources on a 32 GB/RAM machine is all about template consolidation, but running the Hollywood Orchestra Diamond libraries on there is certainly possible!

You would just need to take time to closely consider what instrumentation you are using on your given setup.

If it is an orchestral setup, you can either use selected articulations to represent the sections of the orchestra you are using in that composition. As opposed to having one enormous template that loads up every time with all of the libraries filled. To be honest, you aren't going to be able to do that with a gigantic 100+ track orchestral template on your current 32 GB RAM system, without very economical consolidation.

Most often, the only systems powerful enough to run those huge templates contain 64 GB to 128 GB RAM.

As Lorenz had mentioned, be mindful of how many mic positions you have loaded up, as this will ultimately eat up the most RAM resources. Play around with various mic position combinations and levels and find the mic placements that work best with your template setup and sound good to you.

The main point here is consolidation. Use what is most valuable for that piece of music, and any other resources that are RAM / memory heavy, either remove or work around them/only use what is needed (such as Strings which I will cover later). In extreme cases, where nearly 80-90% of your RAM is being used up by your DAW, those samples that use up the most resources we recommend either freezing tracks or bouncing them out to audio and back into your main orchestral session.

Additionally if you are using Logic or Cubase, explore the idea of using Articulation / Expression maps to more easily consolidate your template resources and keep those articulations in one place, and shift easily between them in that fashion. Once again, being mindful of your RAM that's loaded up in your session, and keeping an eye on your overall resources via your Activity Monitor.

Also, if you are writing for strings, I personally will work with Strings in a separate session entirely on my 32 GB / RAM setup since Strings use the most memory resources of all and are the most deeply sampled/detailed, particularly in the HW Strings Diamond Edition. Depending on how detailed the string articulations are and how much control I'd like to have over things like Finger Position and bowings, I will set up a separate session for the Strings and bounce them out in Stems for my main orchestra session, then mix everything down using that audio. All of it is perfectly doable and absolutely worth it to get the richness of the sound achieved from the Hollywood series, which are great if you are working primarily with Film/TV/Video Game Scoring.

While there are some limitations with running on a 32 GB of RAM setup, there are plenty of economical workarounds and ways to maximize your resources using both your DAW as well as budgeting out your RAM usage and overall instrumentation.

If you have any other questions or need any further assistance, you are welcome to contact either of us here on the forum or via our website's Live Chat which is available from 9:30 am to 5:30 pm PST 7 days a week!

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Old 03-16-2020, 06:59 AM
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Many thanks Thomas for your detailed reply. I will come back to this a bit later as I'm tied up with work at the moment but I just wanted to acknowledge your input before I get a chance to reply properly.
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Hi Thomas

Yes I generally do work from a basic template with a minimal set of articulations and instruments already loaded, adding others as each project demands, rather than loading up a massive template each time.

I haven't been able to freeze tracks successfully when those tracks are run from the slave PC via VEPro. Last time I tried I ended up with silence. The same with bouncing in place - I get subtle and not-so-subtle artefacts like release trails being off etc. So when it comes time to bounce to audio in order to do the final mix I have to do this in real time, section by section. This is probably all to do with the limitations of my system etc. which I'm sure is beyond the scope of this thread. I'm about to install VEPro 7 so that might make a difference..

What it amounts to anyway is that those resource-saving measures are generally not so easy to execute on my system so such workarounds end up being very cumbersome, if they work at all. Not impossible hopefully though so I need to re-visit them.

The idea of working with the strings separately is intriguing for sure.. I will certainly look into all these suggestions and many thanks once again for the extremely helpful information. I will certainly get back in touch if I do have any more queries.

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