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Old 10-29-2017, 12:15 PM
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Default Significant difference in load time between cheap and high-end SSDs?

I'm beginning to plan out a new build and I was just curious on the real-world differences between my 2012 SSDs and a modern high-end m.2 SSD.


People with M.2 drives containing libraries, is there a tangible benefit to using M.2 over a SATA SSD when loading/streaming samples? Is it worth investing in enough M.2 storage for some libraries or should I stick with SATA and call it a day?


What about the difference between older SSDs (Crucial M4 and such) to the current-gen SATA SSDs like the 850 Evo? Is there something tangible here when it comes to load times or streaming?

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Old 10-30-2017, 03:35 PM
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I recently built a new PC slave computer that has two main internal sample drives - one of which is a Samsung EVO 850 and the other is an M.2 Samsung SM961. The whole system is pretty quick and I wouldn't say that there is a particularly noticeable speed differential. Having said this, I do have different libraries on the different drives and there might be a difference in how quickly the libraries themselves would load that isn't accounted for on this. I arranged the libraries so that the M.2 is working with the more resource hungry libraries, so perhaps the difference would be tangible! It's definitely not hugely obvious though.

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I don't notice any performance difference between my old cheap Kingston and the newer Samsung Evo that I installed a few months ago. That Kingston has been chugging along since 2011.
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All SSDs have plenty of bandwidth for audio samples. What makes SSDs shine is the low latency. SSDs have really taken storage off the critical path, making the CPU the main limiting factor.
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The cheaper SSDs have slower WRITE speed but READ speed is generally good across most models. Same goes for memory cards in cameras and USB 3.0 thumb drives. Cheap ones take forever to write data, but since library streaming is all about reading data, you're pretty safe with less expensive SSDs. Reliability is still a concern. Samsung has been the most stable so far in my world, and I've owned/used about 20-25 different SSDs in the last few years.
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Hey Jeremy, this is a reply to an answer you gave here back in October... I now know WHY your 2011 Kingston seems to run as good as any SSD today. I'm putting together a quick YouTube video showing load times with Play on a 7200rpm drive, two-drive RAID0, standard SATA SSD and the newer PCI-based NVMe SSDs that are 10x faster than standard SSDs in read times. Bottom line: in straight file copy, yeah, read times are wicked fast with the new NVMe SSDs, but when loading a specific HO Full String Divisi library in Play, the regular SSD took 7.5 seconds and the NVMe SSD took 6.5 seconds! It should have taken under a second. But besides read times, a sample library loading up goes through software which looks to be the bottleneck. That also means there's no guarantee the a straight SATA SSD is loading at full rated speed due to the complexity of Play internally. If Play loads utilizing 75% of an SSDs rated speed, then yes, your older Kingston will do just fine. BTW, mechanical drives took 17 seconds and same issue: The RAID0 was NO faster than the single 7200rpm drive! Good news is that any SSD will work, no need for faster Pro versions like Samsung makes, and the bad news is, Library makers now need to revisit their software engine to speed up load times as best as they can. It's NOT all about CPU. This test I am making blew me away, when I was capturing the screen after copying my HO library to the 4 different drives, I couldn;t WAIT to see the library load in under one second from the NVMe SSD, and it did nothing of the sort... I was expecting much different results. Once I have this test posted I'm going to put in the proper request to make the Play engine load faster. Ah! 6 is out now! Guess I'd better buy that and see if it fares better or worse. Anyway, your answer popped up in my thread history so that's why I'm replying now after 5 months.
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Thanks PaulieDC! Interesting to hear your results. I have added a Samsung EVO to my slave (and it's about the same speed as the Kingston). Amazingly though, I picked up a Samsung T5 which connects to a USB3 port on the Macbook, and it's just as fast (and super compact). I've heard that the T5 is faster than PCIe flash when connecting it to USB-C!!
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Thanks PaulieDC! Interesting to hear your results. I have added a Samsung EVO to my slave (and it's about the same speed as the Kingston). Amazingly though, I picked up a Samsung T5 which connects to a USB3 port on the Macbook, and it's just as fast (and super compact). I've heard that the T5 is faster than PCIe flash when connecting it to USB-C!!
EW isn't going to like me because all this shows that the new bottleneck isn't the drives nor the CPU, it's the code in Play and how it manages the library data when it loads. We have finally hit the stage where the hardware is outpacing the software, a rarity, it's usually the other way around and we al have to scramble for faster hardware.

As a software developer I can attest that they won't want to hear this, lol!
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I'm not worried about it, my typical templates (150~ tracks) only take a couple of minutes to load. I wouldn't benefit at all even if it loaded in a few seconds; it all remains loaded inside VEPro so I only load once.
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I'm not worried about it, my typical templates (150~ tracks) only take a couple of minutes to load. I wouldn't benefit at all even if it loaded in a few seconds; it all remains loaded inside VEPro so I only load once.
That's actually good to know, thanks! I'm not at the stage yet of 100+ tracks nor using VEPro to distribute the load, so what you posted definitely adds to this research I'll gathering as far as the tech side goes.

So given what I discovered in the drive tests and your input on real-world usage, composers in this realm, established or upcoming, can find great deals on standard SATA SSDs if they are building or upgrading! The new tech wave of NVMe SSDs with blazing read times actually doesn't benefit sound library loads all that much (if at all), and certainly not enough to justify the cost... a 1TB Samsung 960 Pro is $625 on Amazon. For that price you can get a 2TB Mushkin SSD and a WD 4TB External Backup Drive for all downloaded libraries and still have 50 bucks left over.

Here I thought NVMe was going to revolutionize VI composing. Amazing what you find once you really research.
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