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Old 12-12-2017, 04:11 AM
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I totally agree that the CC system is not practical and renders multi-timbral patches very hard to work with.

All the crossfade should be done on CC1 and expression should always be CC11. Adding a 3rd CC for vibrato on powerfull system patches should simply be on a 3rd CC. If that was the case, we could have multi-timbral patches that make sens in deed.

Even better if they were assignable.

I'm lucky that Cubase has a feature called note expression (not to be confused with expression maps). I've started using this to work around the EW's CC confusion. With note expression, I can draw on a note or group of notes all the CC data I want and they are totally independent. This means I could have a chord on an event and all the notes inside that chord have there own individual CC* curves assigned to them. This means I could have a single note vibrate in a chord.

I think that when EW released those huge libraries, not many people were using big multi-timbral patches because of HD and computer limitations. Remember the prices of SSDs in 2011 when Hollywood Strings was released.

Now that computers have caught up, more and more of us are using fully loaded multi-timbral instances, EW needs provide the tools to take advantage of all these great sounds.
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Old 04-25-2018, 01:28 PM
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One thing you can try to get around the 16 channel limitation, is consider using Vienna Ensemble Pro in multi port mode. Extra expense I know, but then it should be possible to have 16, 32, 48, 64, etc.. channels feeding into separate instances of PLAY...all coming from one track in cubase.

I'm not familiar enough with Cubase to know if there is some way already built into cubase that you can have the expression map go to more than one instance of PLAY inside Cubase without VEP.
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I take my chance : Any solutions for FL Studio users ?
Old 09-29-2018, 05:42 AM
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Hey Guys this has been a very informative discussion thus far. I appreciate this topic being brought up. I actually did reach out to Peter and received a response. Because I am a newbie to this, sharing his response would not enhance anyone's knowledge on this discussion however, I also stumbled upon this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wW-8e3UBA3k and that led me to discover another company that seams to be treading into E.W.'s market space with a similar looking player. My only point in investigating them was to learn more about articulation programming and to see how similar the methodologies seem to be. I like leveraging what can be discovered out there and bring it all back home to use on E.W. offerings.
Thank you all and keep sharing the depth of discussion.
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Originally Posted by ecurb View Post
Just remembered something else that got a bit weird when I was playing with this (sorry, it's been a while since I did these experiments actually, a bit hazy on some of the details). Anyway there was some odd behaviour with slurs and portamento patches when you started using MIDI keyswitches to stick other articulations between such notes. Basically you wouldn't get the slide into a note triggering properly - or might in some situations even get it triggering in from the wrong direction, sliding up instead of down or vice versa - because the last preceding note the portamento or slur patch was "aware" of wasn't the last note played in the line. If that makes sense.

Something like that anyway. I do remember that between slur/port issues and the hassle of sorting out the differing CCs, I pretty much gave up on my DIY keyswitches and went back to just using separate tracks for the major string articulations.

Which all boils down to - yeah, I'd love to see them properly implemented too!

This has been my experience as well! I HATE!!! changing patches/articulations by MIDI channel as I get those pesky "note unaware" issues or the Note ON/Off doesn't trigger correctly. Makes me want to throw an expensive computer out the nearest window!

I'm trying to switch over from Sibelius to Dorico as I like where Dorico is headed with their playback features (and it looks GORGEOUS!). I also use multiple Kontakt libraries that use CC's to change articulations. For instance Spitfire has their UUAC (CC32) to change arts and can use custom program changes to change patches. Right now, solo instruments are mapped to PC 1, a.2 to PC 2 and a.6 to PC 3.

Since the playback dictionaries in notation programs tend to have global settings, it would be nice to be able to have all libraries standardize to a common way of changing instruments/articulations. I really like how I can customize and combine PC's and CC's in Kontakt and other libraries other than EW Play.

EW Play seems to be stuck in a 10 year-old mindset. And therefore I am avoiding its use more and more.
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