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Old 04-09-2019, 07:04 AM
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All the EW samples sound great - including clarinet! I'm an orchestral clarinettist so that's high praise. The exception is the strings which sound like crap I don't think that's EW's fault, it's the strings which are scratchy instruments, difficult to record and even more difficult to sample.

The exception is the Solo Violin library which sounds glorious. String ensembles are much harder to sound good either in recording or sample (and live too oftentimes). Anyhow, any workflow or tips on getting these instruments tamed?

Hint to EastWest - put out a String Ensemble library, with just a few musicians (4 violins or something). I bet it will naturally sound loads better and be easy to work with. I don't have to have a huge string section because it's not needed with samples, since we control the volume. The only reason we have a lot in an orchestra is to get them louder - not because they sound better with a big group.
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Old 04-09-2019, 07:39 AM
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Creating a mock-up does indeed take time and practice.
And then making it realistic and as close as possible to
the real-deal just take it one step further!

Check the "Tips and Tricks" link in my signature and
then especially follow the first bold link there. You'll
find quite a lot of blogs, articles and videos there
which you can read / follow along.

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The only reason we have a lot in an orchestra is to get
them louder - not because they sound better with a big group.
And then there was Tchaikovsky, taking out the big guns for 1812 Overture.
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Old 04-09-2019, 08:28 AM
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Lorenz offers great advice and tips. No offence Danno, but have you read the manuals and spent time understanding how the libraries work? HS is a beast, and once you discover it's capabilities, is by far the best string library out there.

Can you post some examples of your sequences that you're having issues with?
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Old 04-09-2019, 08:45 AM
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Lorenz offers great advice and tips. No offence Danno, but have you read the manuals and spent time understanding how the libraries work? HS is a beast, and once you discover it's capabilities, is by far the best string library out there.

Can you post some examples of your sequences that you're having issues with?
No problem, yes actually I've pored over all the manuals from beginning to end. Perhaps my question could be put differently - why is it that the solo instruments sound good/great with little or no work, but the string sections don't? Just playing any string line other than some shorts sound poor out of the box, I have to work the CC's and articulations to sound good. Not so with the solo insts, they naturally play well without doing much at all.

Maybe it's not a good question because 'that's the way it is' or maybe I'm just too picky, but if anybody wants to post the 'top 3 of how you get your strings to sound better' perhaps that would be useful. For example, do people rely more on articulation switching or CC's to get the sound they want, or both?
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Old 04-09-2019, 10:57 AM
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I think Hollywood strings sounds good.

I made this 2 transcription 4 years ago. No. 2 was a lot of work!

https://soundcloud.com/olejoergensen...eme-by-borodin

https://soundcloud.com/olejoergensen...-new-mastering

My own composition.....

https://soundcloud.com/olejoergensen...l-fantasy-2015

CC1 and CC11 and velocity (mostly for shorts) are essential.
Also how much overlap of the notes in the pianoroll for legato transitions or connected sustains, means a great deal.
Also a mix of mic position is important.

For long notes I use:
-Leg slur
-Leg slur sm
-Leg BC
-Leg BC slower
-Marc Leg slur
-Marc Leg BC
-Sus DB ksfp
-SUs UB ksfp
-Detache
-Sus UB/DB layered with Marc shrt for more attack (controlled by velocity).
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Old 04-10-2019, 12:34 PM
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Another thing is to "ride" the MOD wheel when playing the HS patches that have the "ni" (Niente) extension. These totally rely on CC's, and sound wonderfully realistic when used correctly. This also applies to many of the solo patches.

Not to toot my own horn, but listen to a short track called "Sea of Dreams" (around the 00:20 mark) under the Romance/Orchestral section of my site, these are HS Gold "ni" patches; violins, violas, cellos, basses.

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Old 04-15-2019, 06:22 AM
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Good tips and great music, thanks guys.
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Old 04-18-2019, 07:18 AM
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Seems like the strings are more sensitive to mic choice than the other instruments, and probably strings are more sensitive to everything you do to them! I'm getting good results with carefully spending time with the mics, working in surround Mid in L-R and surround in the rear channels is giving good results.
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